Comment posted Points Based Tier 4 for Students to be Phased in Next Year by ahmed.
Hi,
I was just turned down for a Tier 4 Visa, and the grounds for refusal were appallingly thin. The visa officer claimed that my course began on the 1st of Sept. and since I applied on the 25th of August, there was inadequate time left for processing. Completely missing the fact that my visa letter mentioned an extension till November.
More seriously, they have alleged that my bank documents are false and that my bank confirms this. My bank has shown me the verification form they filled out, and they seem to have slipped up a bit and only written my first and middle names along with my wifes full name (she is the joint holder). But the Bank courtesy letter I sent with my app should have clarified everything, my connection to the joint holder etc.
I am sending the case for administrative review, but do not know what my chances are. I need to clear my name, and have a letter from the bank now, explaining their position in detail.
Any advice?
Hi I just wanted to confirm this point:
10 points will be awarded for Maintenance and Funds Test and specific amounts of funds of around £96000 will need to be shown
Is that a typo or is it really £96000? thats an awful lot of money!
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Hi Nik
Well spotted – it should in fact be £9,600.
Which is still a lot of money that needs to be shown!
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Hi there
Under the new Student Visa system (Tier 4) which will be implemented in March 2009, will studying A-Levels and GCSEs (both pre-university qualifications) in the UK still be allowed?
Please reply. Thanks a lot
Mike
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Hi Mike
Yes, students will still be able to come and study in the UK for their GCSEs and A-Levels. Following the changes, there will be 3 classes of ‘student’:
- General: Students studying in Britain at or above degree level in a publicly funded institution, or engaging in more than 15 hours of study per week.
- School: Students in full time study at an independent school up to the age of 18. Working hours are the same as the general student category but dependents are not permitted.
- Study through Work: Students on courses of work experience or placements. Working hours will be the same as the other two categories and dependents will be permitted in instances where the principal applicant will be in the country in excess of 12 months.
So yes, pre-university students will still be eligible to come to the UK.
Hope this helped.
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Hi there, Thanks a lot for your answers. But what you said about the age for indepedent schools kinda alarmed me. I will have turned 21 by September 2009. Can I not study A Levels if I’m older than 18? Actually I’ll be studying A Levels either at a sixth form college or a further education college but I’m not sure if they can be called “independent schools.” And A Level is below degree level so will I more likely be classed under “School”? I’m really confused. Please help me. Thanks a lot – Mike
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Hi Mike
A Levels can still be studied under the Tier 4 system, regardless of age as you will be studying at a private college.
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hi mike,
there is one querry…i just want to ask u one thing tht the student who have there visa extension in jan,,,they should also have to follow the the new tier 4 rule…becoz i think my college doesnt comes in tier 4….but i am th regular student of the college..apart from this also have my final selection in british army in feb nd they gonna give me the letter for tht,,,so home office would consider that statement by army?
becoz as u said that tier4 is going to apply in march 2009,,,so the extension which are to be done before march 2009 will be done in the similar way which is used to be done before? becoz i dnt think my college comes in tier 4 yet…plz help me out i am really very worried.becoz i my visa is goin to be expired in jan..
thanks
abhishek
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hi abhishek,
I’m just wondering. I assume you’re not a UK national or citizen. But how come that you could enter the British army? Is that really possible?
Please reply. thanks
Mike
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hi mike..
yes it is possible,but u have to pass sum tests…i have also been to final selection for the british army in sep 2008 but they deffered me because of my running time…as they could put me back in the selection hopefully in this feb 2009 but only after getting my paasport back from home office…i just want to confirm wheather the home office going to consider my letter which is issued by army office.
thanks
abhishek
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Hi Abhishek
How did you get on with your visa renewal and how’s life in the Army?
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hi abhi could u tell me what time they require for running like in one min how long u have to run or timmming limits please reply bcoze i also get a letter from the army and they send me a vcd from there. could i pass this exam
i m female for us wht timming they requires
i was a national player in my home country
i like this type jobs
like diffidence, army………..
please reply
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I applied for student visa and it rejectde because of unsufficient fund and will go in april next batch.I book in LJMU OOW(Deck) cource and want to know what new rule is coming and how much fund I have to show for one year visa insteed of course fee.
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Hi Gaurav
For Tier 4 (General) Adult Student Extension Application made within the UK, you must show maintenance funds based on where you are studying:
Inside the London Boroughs:
£1600
Outside the London Boroughs:
£1200
You must also show that this money has been available in your bank account for at least 28 days at the time of your application.
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i am still waiting for the acceptance letter from a university in UK..if i’l not receive that letter on the 1st week of march wud it be possible that i can’t meet the new visa application in march????
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Hi Najih
How did you get on with your application? I assume you’re in the UK now – how are your studies?
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Hi,
I am on the student visa here in UK. My visa is going to expire in May 2009. I want to extend it but there is one thing I want to ask for those students applying for extension will also need to show 9,600 pounds in their personal account maintained in UK or where. Kindly clear this problem,Or they just need to show their funds are coming from their sponsors of their country.
Kindly reply me soon
I am so worried about it.
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HI SAIMA,
u dnt need to show 9600 pounds in ur account,,this is only for th students who r goin to apply for fresh student visa frm sum other countries except E.U ones…u only need to show tht ur gettin ur money from ur sponsors regularly…..
thanks
abhishek
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Hi Saima
For Tier 4 (General) Adult Student Application, you must show maintenance funds based on where you are studying:
Inside the London Boroughs:
£800 per month up to a maximum of 9 months
Outside the London Boroughs:
£600 per month up to a maximum of 9 months
You must also show that this money has been available in your bank account for at least 28 days at the time of your application.
This can be shown in bank accounts for either in the UK or your home country.
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Hi! About the tier 4,do they include an english language exam as requirements?Thank u.Pls reply
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Hi Ravin
Yes, you will English level is requirement of Tier 4. You must be able to study a course which is CEFR A2 or higher. As a very rough guide, you need to be at a level of pre-intermediate or upwards.
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Hi,
I have beej told by people that there would be new rules for dependents in April 2009. The change would mean that people with dependent visas can’t work full time any more. Is that correct?
Also, currently under the Tier 1 (general), a spouse can work full time. If such a rule comes in would it effect exsisting Visa holders?
Advise would be appreciated.
Seema.
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Hi Seema
Thanks for your comments. To discuss the precise details of your individual case you should also consult a fully qualified and regulated immigration lawyer. Find one near you at the OISC.
I’m unsure of the Tier 1 rules, I cover Tier 4 only.
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Hi,
I will be going to get married in april 2009 in Nepal and wanted to bring my spouse here.As i heard there are so many rules which is going to change from march.Could you please let me know what are the rules?And what documents do i need to bring him as a dependen.It would be really helpful,if you reply me.
Thanks a lot
Trishna
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hi,moti . why r u worriying . new rule has came so u must change new spouse too. obviously . and here i am keenly ,ever ready to be with u . mind it . new rule , new boyfriend, mazza ko life in uk .why worry ,waiting u.Bye moti.
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does NVQ level 4 health and social care spend more than 50%
on work placement?
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Hi Kim
Under new Tier 4 guidance, any course combining a work placement must be no more than 50% of total course time.
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hi im a student diong othm certificate course. my visa is going 2 expire in first week of may 09.would u let me kno how much money ill hav 2 show in my a/c n my sponsors a/c and how many days b4 ill hav 2 put dis amount in2 my n my sponsors a/c.
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Hi Khan
For Tier 4 (General) Adult Student Application, you must show maintenance funds based on where you are studying:
Inside the London Boroughs:
£800 per month up to a maximum of 9 months
Outside the London Boroughs:
£600 per month up to a maximum of 9 months
You must also show that this money has been available in your bank account for at least 28 days at the time of your application.
This can be shown in bank accounts for either in the UK or your home country.
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Visa walata puka dei. me huththige UK embassy ballo hukanawa. hukana pakayala. Yako api suddanta puka dena jaathiyak newei. suddoi apita puka denna one. api enne ne thope walan hodanna thope ratata. thopi warew ape walan hodanna ape ratata.
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hi,my name is faisal belong to lahore,my age is now 29,i was left the study in 2000,i hve done diploma associat engnering,after i was doing job in my town and in 2003 i was going to the ,u,a,e, for the job till 2006,and i go back to pakistan in 2006 and now days i m doing job in the pravite compnye,just tell me i m able for the applye study visa,for the uk undergraduate parogram?
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Hi Faisal.
From the details you’ve given there shouldn’t be a problem with applying for a student visa, as long as you qualify.
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Hi i would like to know if students that have students visas before march 2009 and want to extend their student visas after march 2009 will follow the system of tier 4 starting in march. Thank you.
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Hi Belinda.
Yes you’re right, if you apply for a new visa or an extension, after the new rules have come in, then you will have to follow the Tier 4 rules.
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i am a student and wants to apply in new rules.my question is it necessery for maintaince funds must be shown by students personal bank statement valid from 3 months or sponsring statment
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The rules state that it is the student who must show the funds and not their sponsor. It has also been recommended that if you receive the funds from a sponsor, have them to write a letter stating that the money is a gift to you and that they will not demand you give it back at any time. This letter is key as it establishes access to regular funds, with no threat of withdrawal.
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hi could any 1 tell me wat r the changes for the students depandants afet tier 4 rules
regarding the financial things
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i was denied for student visa last november because i put a large amount of money in my bank statement,they refused me without conducting any interview. i got a school and solictor there who will prcocess my appeal.
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Hi Emjay.
Sorry to hear you were denied your visa – how long did you have the money in your account for? The guidelines do suggest having the money in your account for at least 3 months.
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hi,
i would like to know the exact ielts score require for uk visa…. anyone has an idea????
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Hi Aditya.
The IELTS level required varies from course to course and school to school. Under the new Tier 4 visa rules, you just need to demonstrate that you have achieved an elementary level of English. If you want to apply for a course in the UK, you’ll need a bare minimum of 5.5 in the IELTS, 6.5 if it’s a good university.
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Hi Daniel …
I have friend in Birmingham his french guy working in Birmingham now he helped me to enroll in UCB university and I just got my programme offered now Business Enterprises. Do you think my sponsor will be granted to do so ? I mean to sponsor everything i need there? Do you think is this possibility as I always heard only for a health care related for the student visa.
The univesity will provide a letter to the embassy the unconditional offer …do you think i can have any chances to pass this ?
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i have got accept letter May10 yesterday from cecos college london is that good time to apply or it’s changing? m very about it may somebody help me i want to know when is new rule changing?
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Hi my visa is refused because of incomplete information in my visa letter under TIER 4 rules.I scored 10 points but did not score 30 points for visa letter. Embasy refused my visa because my Nationality was not mentioned in the Visa letter. My University has asked me to apply again for the Visa with new Visa letter. Please tell me if we can reapply for the visa under TIER 4 rules.
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Hi Abhishek
What a nightmare with your application! I hate it when applications are refused on such a technicality.
You can of course just make a fresh application with a new visa letter. You will have to pay the visa fee again, unfortunately. Although as this was a mistake from the education provider, I would probably strongly peruse the college to cover the 2nd application fee.
Good luck.
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im still waiting for the result of my visa application last january 21, 09.. i hope that it will be released in june.
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Iazna, did you get your visa in the end?
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Hi iam a bba graduate student from Nepal , and iam planning to do ACCA course in Uk , is that matter if i choose cheapest college in Reading rather than in london ? what will be the chances of getting visa doing that ?
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Lakib,
The chance of you getting a visa to study in the UK has nothing to do with where you choose to study or the course you enrol on. As long as you meet all the requirements set out under the Tier 4 system, you will be granted permission to study in the UK. Roughly speaking, the requirements are:
- Studying at a licenced education provider
- Follow a course of level CEFR A2 or above
- Having sufficient funds to cover tuition fees and maintenance costs
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hi i m irfan and i left my study in 2003 now again i want to start studying .pleaseeeee guide me if i could get visa after lapse of 5 year study gap.
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Hi Irfan
As long as you fulfill all the Tier 4 criteria then you will be able to continue your education. The UK Student Visa system has completely changed – there is no longer a subjective view taken on each applicant, it is 100% objective: score the points, get your visa.
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is there any one who experience same .how should i explain my study gap of 5 year effectively while i remained idle in said years .i have my last degree in 2004.and intent to study in uk.will i get visa or not.guide me pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Hi,
I just want to know follwing questions
I have been accpted by the college.and it has not mentioned my IELTS 5.5 score in the visa letter.only A/L and Diploma .will it be a problem by providing my IELTS results , because under the new policies they say that do not provide anthing than the visa letter or Is it compusory to show IELTS score .what is the best option.
thanks
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Hi Radha
You should have submitted all the documents you used when you enrolled on your course along with your visa application (excluding this like artwork portfolios). This information is clearly displayed on the Appendix 8 form you have to complete.
If the visa letter only mentions your diploma, then you should only submit your diploma certificate with your application. If it mentions both, you need to submit both.
Hope this helps.
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hlo my name is aman .
i scored 6.5 in ielts .how should i explain my study gap of 5 year effectively while i remained idle in said years .i have my last degree in 2004.and intent to study in uk.will i get visa or not.guide me
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Hi Aman
As long as you fulfill all the Tier 4 criteria then you will be able to continue your education. The UK Student Visa system has completely changed – there is no longer a subjective view taken on each applicant, it is 100% objective: score the points, get your visa.
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is there any one who experience same .how should i explain my study gap of 5 year effectively while i remained idle in said years .i have my last degree in 2004.and intent to study in uk.will i get visa or not.guide me
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hi i got offer letter from rayat london college i just want to confirm that is it a recognised college or not. will i get study visa with this college or not? please reply me
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Hi Jas
As of 3 February 2010 Rayat London College does not appear on the Tier 4 Register of Sponsors so you will not be able to get a UK Student Visa.
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hi
please i need ur help u someone from london about the legitimacy of services by visagovernor or visagovernor.com…..
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hey ,
i have a question that i m appying for september session in SBU 2009 …. n i got a date to submit my documnets on 31 of august … the visa process time is 30 working days .. incase i will also get defferment letter from my university …extension letter ..i m afraid if british embassy refuse me just bcoz of extension that i have taken ?? otherwise i have got 6 bands in ielts there is no study gap n i have sufficient amount of funds in bank . please reply me soon ..thank you .
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hi i came to uk this march as a student. now i want to get my husband to uk in dependent visa,
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Hi I just wanted to confirm this point:
10 points will be awarded for Maintenance and Funds Test and specific amounts of funds of around £96000 will need to be shown
Is that a typo or is it really £96000? thats an awful lot of money!
for how much time i have to show and deposite the money in my account?
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Hi Vikas
It’s 28 days.
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dear sir, i have recently got uk student visa under tier 4 my course is not yet started.now i want to change my college(sponsor) from London to Glasgow due to some personal problem.can anyone know the exact procedure for this.
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hi.i already came uk in tire 4 rule.now i want to know whether am i able to change my college or not.if possible then please tell me the way.
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Hi Nil
You can change education provider under the Tier 4 system. It all depends on when you got your visa: before or after 5 October 2009 – before in your case.
Here’s the blurb from the UKBA website:
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hello daniel, i am afraid that the british government is not aware of the colleges in london which are under tire4. The colleges in london are the college with names but some colleges doesn’t even exist. dolphin edu. consultncy of nepal ,consultant and college XYZ college representative ate my friends 4800 pounds and that college in not in london and now he is studing in a college in woolwich. how can my friend get money . can u plz help? ur response will b highly appreciated.
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Hi Rani
How did your friend get on in this sad situation? So sorry to hear the details of your story.
I imagine the only way to get the money back would be a court case, or at least the threat of one. Did you try to put pressure on the college in this way?
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hello, my name is mammon i am applyin to uk as a student visa.i would like to know more information regarding this visa. i have no money whatsoever in my bank account and someone had told me that to aply you could show one of your famliy members account. is this true? if it is then please could u send me eveyhting based on it. beacuse this scheme used to work then stopped until 3rd march 2009 accoring to my knowledge. thnak you very much please get back to me as soon as possible thank you very much
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Mamoon
You can show the funds in a parent or guardian’s account. You will also have to submit documents confirming your relationship if you do this – e.g. your birth certificate to show your relationship to your parents, along with your parents’ bank statements.
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Hi,
I was just turned down for a Tier 4 Visa, and the grounds for refusal were appallingly thin. The visa officer claimed that my course began on the 1st of Sept. and since I applied on the 25th of August, there was inadequate time left for processing. Completely missing the fact that my visa letter mentioned an extension till November.
More seriously, they have alleged that my bank documents are false and that my bank confirms this. My bank has shown me the verification form they filled out, and they seem to have slipped up a bit and only written my first and middle names along with my wifes full name (she is the joint holder). But the Bank courtesy letter I sent with my app should have clarified everything, my connection to the joint holder etc.
I am sending the case for administrative review, but do not know what my chances are. I need to clear my name, and have a letter from the bank now, explaining their position in detail.
Any advice?
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Hi Ahmed
How are you getting along with your administrative review? There is little information on how long they take – is yours still in process or have you had a result? It sounds from the details you provided that you really should have got your visa. I really share your frustration!
Most students seem to make a fresh application when facing your situation. I assume that once the Embassy receive the bank’s explanation, all should be well, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they refused your application just to collect the fee for a new, fresh application!
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hi
im under tier 4 visa.Doing my mba in woolwich college.But the college fails most of the student when they pay their full fees.
im afraid becoz i have paid my fees and is there any possiblies to get refund my fees.
and i want to change my college….
plz give me the advice to change my college…
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hi im mohamed,im in uk as student under tier 4 rules.
the college im studing fails most of the student.now i want to change my college for MBA.plz help me if there s any possiblities to change the college.
and tell the procedure…
plz help me…
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Hi Mohamed
You can send me an email at daniel @adviceforyou.org.uk with your contact details and a phone number and I can help you to find a new college and switch to a new Tier 4 Sponsor.
Changing to a new education provider all depends on when you got your visa:
If you got your tier 4 student visa before 5 October 2009
You will have to obtain permission from the UK Border Agency to change education provider. You can ask for this permission by sending an email to MigrantReporting @ukba.gsi.gov.uk. You must include the following details:
- the new sponsor’s name, address and contact details; and
- details of the new course, including the start and end date; and
- if the new course is shorter or longer than your current course
The UK Border Agency will write to you confirming they’ve received your request. As long as they can confirm the following information, you will be given permission to change tier 4 sponsors:
- your new education provider is currently licenced under the Tier 4 Register of Sponsors; and
- your new school has accepted you and wants to be your new sponsor; and
- your new planned course of study meets the necessary requirements to qualify under the Points Based System
Once you have emailed the UK Border Agency with the above information and have received an acknowledgment from them you can actually start your new course without waiting for the result of your request. However, this is at your own risk as the UK Border Agency may well decide to refuse you permission to switch sponsors.
If you fail to ask the UK Border Agency for their permission to switch sponsors you’re permission to stay in the United Kingdom as a student will be limited.
If you got your tier 4 student visa after 5 October 2009
It is much simpler to change education provider in this situation. You just have to make a new Tier 4 (General) Student visa application supported with a new visa letter of confirmation of acceptance for studies from your new tier 4 sponsor.
You will not be able to start your new course until your new visa application is approved by the UK Border Agency. You are free to leave your current sponsor but do so entirely at your own risk, as the UKBA may refuse your application meaning you may not be able to return to your original course.
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do u only need the application form and the visa letter or do u have to show prrof of funds again?
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You will have to show proof of funds, but not at the same level as if you had applied from your home country,
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thnku Daniel,
My visa letter was after the 5th of October so how much will I need to show??
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Hi Kirsty
If you are in London, you will need to show you have access to £800 per month, for a maximum of 2 months = £1,600.
If you are outside London, you will need to show you have access to £600 per month, for a maximum of 2 months = £1,200.
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Sure you can Neko. You can follow us on twitter at: www.twitter.com/adviceforyou.
We always follow back and really look forward to your tweets!
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sir, im got a news after next month tire4 rules will be change,we are not necessery for vsf-bd appoitement.
im very confused mu futher life.im student of LCLM college in u.k.
my class will be started 11.01.2010.
so sir now what i will do. im not geting submite appoitement. plz give me suggestion, i hope u send to me ans.
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Keep up the good work! Look forward to reading more from you in the future. I think it will be also nice if you add “send to email” tool so people can forward the articles to their friends easily.
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LinZi, we’ve gone one better and completley socialmedia-ised the site!
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hi
im under tier 4 visa.Doing my mba in lincolns college london.But the college suspend by the homeoffice.
im afraid becoz i have paid my fees and is there any possiblies to get refund my fees.
and i want to change my college….
plz give me the advice to change my college…
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Hi Hussain,
It could be quite tricky to change college during its suspension from the tier 4 sponsors register and will depend entirely on the college’s terms & conditions. In most cases, schools or colleges will only process a refund upon receipt of original visa refusal documents. Whilst your application is on hold while the college addresses the UK Border Agency’s concerns, you may not be refused your tier 4 (general) student visa application and would therefore not be in possession of the required documents.
Have you spoken to the college about the issue? What did they say?
We can also help you to find a new college that is guaranteed to be on the tier 4 register of sponsors. Contact us if you need further help.
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hlo my name is asraf
is there any one who experience same .how should i explain my study gap of 6 year effectively while i remained idle in said years .i have my last degree in 2004.and intent to study in uk.will i get visa or not.guide me
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hlo my name is asraf .
i scored 6 in ielts .how should i explain my study gap of 5 year effectively while i remained idle in said years .i have my last degree in 2004.and intent to study in uk.will i get visa or not.guide me
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Hi Asraf
I’ll answer both your comments in the one response, if that’s OK.
The only people who’d you potentially have to explain your study gap to will be any school or college to which you apply. But, they may not be interested to know. Judging by your post, I assume that you’re worried about your education history when it comes to applying for a UK student visa.
Following the introduciton of Tier 4 of the Points Based System by the UK Border Agency, this kind of subjective measure of applicants has been removed. So, as long as you fully satisfy the criteria set out under Tier 4 you should be fine. When did you take your IELTS test? As long as it is still valid when you apply for your visa then you will have no problems.
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I came undre Tire4 . now I want to change my college
Hamid
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Hi A Haq
You can send me an email at daniel@adviceforyou.org.uk with your contact details and a phone number and I can help you to find a new college and switch to a new Tier 4 Sponsor.
Changing to a new education provider all depends on when you got your visa:
If you got your tier 4 student visa before 5 October 2009
You will have to obtain permission from the UK Border Agency to change education provider. You can ask for this permission by sending an email to MigrantReporting@ukba.gsi.gov.uk. You must include the following details:
- the new sponsor’s name, address and contact details; and
- details of the new course, including the start and end date; and
- if the new course is shorter or longer than your current course
The UK Border Agency will write to you confirming they’ve received your request. As long as they can confirm the following information, you will be given permission to change tier 4 sponsors:
- your new education provider is currently licenced under the Tier 4 Register of Sponsors; and
- your new school has accepted you and wants to be your new sponsor; and
- your new planned course of study meets the necessary requirements to qualify under the Points Based System
Once you have emailed the UK Border Agency with the above information and have received an acknowledgment from them you can actually start your new course without waiting for the result of your request. However, this is at your own risk as the UK Border Agency may well decide to refuse you permission to switch sponsors.
If you fail to ask the UK Border Agency for their permission to switch sponsors you’re permission to stay in the United Kingdom as a student will be limited.
If you got your tier 4 student visa after 5 October 2009
It is much simpler to change education provider in this situation. You just have to make a new Tier 4 (General) Student visa application supported with a new visa letter of confirmation of acceptance for studies from your new tier 4 sponsor.
You will not be able to start your new course until your new visa application is approved by the UK Border Agency. You are free to leave your current sponsor but do so entirely at your own risk, as the UKBA may refuse your application meaning you may not be able to return to your original course.
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HI
WHY R THE UK POLICIEC R SAYING TERRORIST TO THE MUSLIMS SPECIALLY PAKISTANIS………………………………WHY ITS NOT GOOD……………………………………PLZ TELL ME WHY MY SOME FRND R DEPORTED FROM UK UNIVERSITIES WHILE THE R GETTING KNOWLEDGE..?
WHY THE UK GOVERNMENT HARSH WITH US .PLZ REPLY………………………………………..
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Hassaan
I’m sure your friends haven’t been deported for no reasons whatsoever, and I don’t think the UK Government is demonising Mulsims, Pakistanis or students in general.
The student visa route into the UK has long been abused and the Government has decided to act out given the huge media interest. And I think the points you’ve raised are all fire-stormed by the British media, making the whole situation worse.
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Hi,
I am a student of eCollege London. Recently my college has been suspended. I am married & my husband want to apply for visa as my depedent. Is there any problem to get visa for him as my college is suspended.I am too much worry.
Tani
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Hi Tani
To discuss the precise details of your individual case you should also consult a fully qualified and regulated immigration lawyer. Find one near you at the OISC.
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